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Post by NoSurprises™ on Jan 12, 2007 10:33:46 GMT 7
Anyone knows abt cells balancer?? Wat does it do to the batts or how can it help??
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Post by qks57 on Jan 12, 2007 10:45:00 GMT 7
i'm not very sure,but from wat i noe,it balances the power/current/voltage in the cells of the batteries.duno which 1.balancing prolongs batt life and extends play time.
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Post by AGP™ on Jan 12, 2007 11:04:47 GMT 7
if not wrong cell balancer is oni needed for Lipo batt. this is to ensure all the batteries voltage in the pack are equalize. its dangerous if a Lipo batt is unbalanced and can cos explosion during charging.
as for nimh batt, cell equalization is needed for better battery performance. better punch, consistance in providing high current and can peak better.
*correct me if wrong.. still learning on batteries. lol ;D
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Post by NoSurprises™ on Jan 12, 2007 11:10:19 GMT 7
Everyone is learning ... aren't they?? hehehehe...  So wat is the difference between a) Cell balancer b) Discharger c) Battery manager or battery conditioner (or is it the same or different??) |
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Post by AGP™ on Jan 12, 2007 11:28:23 GMT 7
Everyone is learning ... aren't they?? hehehehe... So wat is the difference between a) Cell balancer b) Discharger c) Battery manager or battery conditioner (or is it the same or different??) a) to balance each sell in the batt pack so that all the voltage are same for better performance. b) to finish up the power in the battery c) to condition the battery. for nimh battery, over period of time. there will be chemical crystal build in the battery. This will lower the performance/capacity/voltage of the battery and make the battery to almost dead. batt manager/conditioner will help to do de-crystalisation to gain back the performance of the battery... NOT needed for LIPO batt.  , thats wat i know.. anymore to add on any1? |
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Post by RowdyRowdyPiper on Jan 12, 2007 12:27:11 GMT 7
Everyone is learning ... aren't they?? hehehehe... So wat is the difference between a) Cell balancer b) Discharger c) Battery manager or battery conditioner (or is it the same or different??) Main difference between them: all different spellin!!! lol!!! now for the serious ans... a) Cell balancer - to make sure ur cell of equal weight... or not its another excuse y i cant drift properly!!! b) if cant drift properly then must use cos most likely batts are still full!!! c) wah i oso want one batt manager... like tat i no need to charge my packs myself... the batt manager will help me do it for me!!! eh where to get ah???!!! THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!! LOL!!! |
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Post by AGP™ on Jan 12, 2007 13:01:22 GMT 7
Everyone is learning ... aren't they?? hehehehe... So wat is the difference between a) Cell balancer b) Discharger c) Battery manager or battery conditioner (or is it the same or different??) Main difference between them: all different spellin!!! lol!!! now for the serious ans... a) Cell balancer - to make sure ur cell of equal weight... or not its another excuse y i cant drift properly!!! b) if cant drift properly then must use cos most likely batts are still full!!! c) wah i oso want one batt manager... like tat i no need to charge my packs myself... the batt manager will help me do it for me!!! eh where to get ah???!!! THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!! LOL!!! lol power! |
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Post by NoSurprises™ on Jan 12, 2007 14:50:20 GMT 7
Everyone is learning ... aren't they?? hehehehe... So wat is the difference between a) Cell balancer b) Discharger c) Battery manager or battery conditioner (or is it the same or different??) Main difference between them: all different spellin!!! lol!!! now for the serious ans... a) Cell balancer - to make sure ur cell of equal weight... or not its another excuse y i cant drift properly!!! b) if cant drift properly then must use cos most likely batts are still full!!! c) wah i oso want one batt manager... like tat i no need to charge my packs myself... the batt manager will help me do it for me!!! eh where to get ah???!!! THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!! LOL!!! hmmm.. so there is no such thing as battery manager??? Cos i saw it frm somewhere... kekeke Here's the link www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=479THE RETURN OF THE JEDI!!! |
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Post by RowdyRowdyPiper on Jan 13, 2007 8:50:47 GMT 7
I see ur force is strong!!!
1) Cell balancer - for lipo, as wat was posted by agp
2) Discharger - for discharging ur packs.... some chargers are equip wif discharging functions - try to use either 10,20 amps discharge.... some goes up to 30-35 amps... mainly for racing... oso got dischargin device such as Much More CTXD, Trinity DPD etc.... these cost more, but they discharge the cells individually, but ur cells must be soldered side by side...
3) Spintec Batt Manager... is a also a dischargin device, which claims to maintain ur old packs... the newer version is better as it allows to set the cut-off n the number of cells 4-6....
4) U miss tis out - Equalizing - To equalize each cell to the same voltage before charging... for me i normally equalize after every 3 cycles of charge... again can only be done on side by side
May the FORCE be wif u my child!!!
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Post by NoSurprises™ on Jan 13, 2007 11:26:55 GMT 7
hahaha... i am more like the young apprentice... hahaha Thanks for the explainations given ;D Didn't know tat there is so much stuff just for batts. Must learn how to feel the force liaoz.... |
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Post by navlem on Jan 13, 2007 15:26:34 GMT 7
Li-Po needs a cell balancer because it cannot take heavy cycles as Nickel-Based batteries do, so a balancer will actually balance the voltage of the Li-Po batteries.
As for Nickel-Based batteries, a balancer is not required as they are balanced if you would just set it on trickle charge for around 24 hour
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Post by RowdyRowdyPiper on Jan 13, 2007 17:31:58 GMT 7
Li-Po needs a cell balancer because it cannot take heavy cycles as Nickel-Based batteries do, so a balancer will actually balance the voltage of the Li-Po batteries. As for Nickel-Based batteries, a balancer is not required as they are balanced if you would just set it on trickle charge for around 24 hour R U SURE??? R U REALLI SURE???!!! |
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Post by navlem on Jan 13, 2007 17:40:20 GMT 7
Manufacturers recommend to trickle charge a nickel-based battery for 24 hours when new and after long storage. This service brings all cells to equal charge level and redistributes the electrolyte to remedy dry spots on the separator brought on by gravitation of the electrolyte. It is advisable to verify the capacity with a battery analyzer before use. This is especially important in critical applications.
Cycling (priming) is recommended to regain lost capacity after a nickel-based battery has been stored for 6 months or longer. A slow charge followed by one or several discharge/charge cycles will do this. The recovery rate is governed by the condition under which the battery was stored. The longer and warmer the storage temperature, the more cycles will be required. The Prime program of the battery analyzers automatically applies the number of cycles needed to regain full capacity.
Nickel-based batteries are not always fully formed when leaving the factory. Applying several charge/ discharge cycles through normal use or with a battery analyzer completes the forming. The number of cycles needed to attain full capacity differs between cell manufacturers. Quality cells perform to specification after 5-7 cycles. Those lacking formation may need 50 or more cycles to reach acceptable capacity levels.
What is the difference between priming and forming? For the user, both symptoms manifest themselves as insufficient capacity. The difference may be explained in that forming needs to be done only once when the battery is new, while priming must be repeated after each prolonged storage.
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Post by Rza on Jan 15, 2007 15:24:53 GMT 7
wow such long submission...never write compositon about the topic ah.. eh mimi, cell balancer is for balancing of the cells lor... so easy Manufacturers recommend to trickle charge a nickel-based battery for 24 hours when new and after long storage. This service brings all cells to equal charge level and redistributes the electrolyte to remedy dry spots on the separator brought on by gravitation of the electrolyte. It is advisable to verify the capacity with a battery analyzer before use. This is especially important in critical applications. Cycling (priming) is recommended to regain lost capacity after a nickel-based battery has been stored for 6 months or longer. A slow charge followed by one or several discharge/charge cycles will do this. The recovery rate is governed by the condition under which the battery was stored. The longer and warmer the storage temperature, the more cycles will be required. The Prime program of the battery analyzers automatically applies the number of cycles needed to regain full capacity. Nickel-based batteries are not always fully formed when leaving the factory. Applying several charge/ discharge cycles through normal use or with a battery analyzer completes the forming. The number of cycles needed to attain full capacity differs between cell manufacturers. Quality cells perform to specification after 5-7 cycles. Those lacking formation may need 50 or more cycles to reach acceptable capacity levels. What is the difference between priming and forming? For the user, both symptoms manifest themselves as insufficient capacity. The difference may be explained in that forming needs to be done only once when the battery is new, while priming must be repeated after each prolonged storage. |
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Post by navlem on Jan 15, 2007 18:29:32 GMT 7
wow such long submission...never write compositon about the topic ah.. eh mimi, cell balancer is for balancing of the cells lor... so easy Manufacturers recommend to trickle charge a nickel-based battery for 24 hours when new and after long storage. This service brings all cells to equal charge level and redistributes the electrolyte to remedy dry spots on the separator brought on by gravitation of the electrolyte. It is advisable to verify the capacity with a battery analyzer before use. This is especially important in critical applications. Cycling (priming) is recommended to regain lost capacity after a nickel-based battery has been stored for 6 months or longer. A slow charge followed by one or several discharge/charge cycles will do this. The recovery rate is governed by the condition under which the battery was stored. The longer and warmer the storage temperature, the more cycles will be required. The Prime program of the battery analyzers automatically applies the number of cycles needed to regain full capacity. Nickel-based batteries are not always fully formed when leaving the factory. Applying several charge/ discharge cycles through normal use or with a battery analyzer completes the forming. The number of cycles needed to attain full capacity differs between cell manufacturers. Quality cells perform to specification after 5-7 cycles. Those lacking formation may need 50 or more cycles to reach acceptable capacity levels. What is the difference between priming and forming? For the user, both symptoms manifest themselves as insufficient capacity. The difference may be explained in that forming needs to be done only once when the battery is new, while priming must be repeated after each prolonged storage. who say never write composition on the topic here it is sgdrift.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=ForNewbiesInterestedParties&action=display&thread=1168529474 |
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Post by Rza on Jan 17, 2007 10:41:09 GMT 7
we got a librarian drifter here...
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