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Post by kuang on Oct 4, 2006 23:48:56 GMT 7
tis info might not work on ur car but at least i'm tuning according to tis method...
IMPT!!! WHILE LEARNING HOW TO DRIFT, DUN CHANGE THE SETTINGS IF THE CAR DOESN'T PERFORM AS EXPECTED I MAY MEAN TAT UR METHODS ARE WRONG SUM WHERE. CHANGING SETTINGS TO LEARN DRIFT WILL TAKE A LONGER TIME THAN LEARNING DRIFT AT CURRENT TUNING
according to kido, to maintain a drift, u'll nid to accel release then accel lightly to maintain the drift angle.
actually it's basic weight shifting. u trigger, the cg of the car moves to the against the direction the car is going. if u dun trigger, the cg will move in the same direction as the car and hence spin off as car is spinning.
here's how ppl tune their touring rc cars or event drifters.
shocks:::> the theory is simple. the harder the shocks(harder to depress or stretch the springs) the lesser grip there is n vice versa. so i recommend front soft and rear hard. but however. the difference nid not be so much as most chassis is rather balanced. so countersteer wun react in a funny way and more countersteer will be needed at higher speeds
camber. on the front view of the wheels cross section in a neutral camber is l---l shape. more camber i will make it go /---\, less camber is \---/. so recommend to put more front camber than rear. but it's best to just adjust the front camber. cos understeering during a drift means maintaining the drift angle.
toe. i'm not so sure bout this yet. but will find out more and update. but changing rear toe will have a greater effect than the front toe.
and drifting to ME(maybe wrong) is throwing a car in and then understeering in during the drift. so tat the car won't spin off track. usually from start, just make sure the front is softer than the rear springs. until u've gotten used to drifting, u might move on to changing the settings.
tis lengthy guide frankly was from wat i learnt wif my fren at a real car tuner. maybe wrong itself or may not work wif rc cars so ignore tis. if it's inapropiate then the admins may delete tis post freely. write down ur replies if u like or +1 if u think it's useless i'll delete it if it reaches +20
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Post by J on Oct 5, 2006 0:00:30 GMT 7
or you could try bringing ur car down to the drift meets, run it for a while , let some more experienced drivers run it and then give u better advice that is more suitable to your car.
the front part of the faq says "most chassis is rather balanced" but tts not always true, especially not for lower end cars. if ur car is oversteering, u may have to adjust ur front to be harder than your rear to counter the problem (suspension)
but the big chunk of red advice for the start is rather appropriate. try to learn drifting by your current settings..
then again its rather hard if your car is really super messed up in its basic settings ( have seen this happen b4, my own tt01 was understeering out of the box, and oversteering madly when i changed to 25 55 + sports tune ).. example: oversteering into 360 spins even with light throttling, or understeering, unable to start drift machiam like touring car.
quite contrary advice i know.. its really rather hard to adjust ur car just by reading advice.
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Post by kuang on Oct 5, 2006 14:39:41 GMT 7
sorry..i'll put it simple...
1) learn drifting in without changing anything
2) just choose any single adjustable part. u dun nid to noe wat is
it for
3) go extreme wif the settings and give it a normal drift. notice
the difference it has wif the previous setting
4) adjust to the other extreme end and notice the difference
5) it's always wise to write down observations for future
references and theories involved
6) fine tune tat part to which u think suits u the most. tis step
requires alot of runs to achieve finess
7) repeat for all other parts.
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Post by vr on Oct 5, 2006 15:55:39 GMT 7
i gt one more to add in... dun upgrade parts unless u know wat it contributes to the drift... ;D
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Post by E3lipse on Oct 5, 2006 16:15:01 GMT 7
Interesting how you made a guide without even having a car  Anyway, upgrade 1 part at a time.So at least you know if you don't like it you know which part to take away. |
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Post by Kido Seishirou on Oct 5, 2006 16:35:10 GMT 7
Its gd to share yr setting with other drifters while more exp drifters give u adjustment to yr kit awhile. I am still not tat exp to give u a more detail adjustment for yr kit but from most of the posts which these senior drifters had posted, should able to help out abit. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kuang on Oct 5, 2006 17:41:53 GMT 7
true...dun anyhow upgrade unless u noe how is it going to change ur ride's handling...it's true i dun have a car now..but isn't it simple logic to tune all cars like tat? real cars or rc? no offence though
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Post by J on Oct 6, 2006 0:13:45 GMT 7
real car tuning not always same as rc car.
real car rear wheel drive/ FD cars drift well, but RC rear wheel drive cars can't drift
real car 4wd doesn't drift that well, but rc we all using 4wd.
differences are of course in the fact we're using esc not real gas brakes and pvc tyres versus real rubber tyres
then again i know ur post doesn't have much to do with those things, but just to state the difference between real cars and rc.
nothing much wrong with ur guide though.
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Post by somebody on Oct 14, 2006 21:00:44 GMT 7
true...dun anyhow upgrade unless u noe how is it going to change ur ride's handling...it's true i dun have a car now..but isn't it simple logic to tune all cars like tat? real cars or rc? no offence though well actually u can drift stock with RC juz parctice can liao..mi drift also u stock..nv even do any adjustment...unless u going for racind..din zheng-ing parts might help???haha..not sure abt racing either..well no offence... Cheers ;D ;D |
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Post by E3lipse on Oct 14, 2006 23:00:12 GMT 7
true...dun anyhow upgrade unless u noe how is it going to change ur ride's handling...it's true i dun have a car now..but isn't it simple logic to tune all cars like tat? real cars or rc? no offence though well actually u can drift stock with RC juz parctice can liao..mi drift also u stock..nv even do any adjustment...unless u going for racind..din zheng-ing parts might help???haha..not sure abt racing either..well no offence... Cheers ;D ;D Basic upgrades will be Al shaft, full ball bearings, 25 55 spur pinion gear ratio. |
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Post by kuang on Oct 16, 2006 1:56:13 GMT 7
ppl might notice tat i make long posts in this forum..it's becos i go ard finding tips on rc drift then i post it all at 1 shot, like a racing blog...haha...i'll roughy list wat i've posted in detail in the next reply...
to improve, get a regular lap course and run it till u are sumwat good at drifting, test ur skills by going the course in the reverse direction
predicting the lines before trying to race will help
look at the entire course as a unit as wat u do b4 tat corner will affect the entire result.
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Post by kuang on Oct 16, 2006 2:01:28 GMT 7
u can improve ur drift better when u plan it. 1 way is have a regular course (or rather a home course). find a place where ppl hardly pass by n hinder ur practise. build a course at least 3-4 lanes(1 lane is wider than the car width by abit). build it in a way tat it goes in laps. so tat u can keep going wifout turning the car around. have a variant of corners like chicanes, hairpins, V turns, 90 degrees, long and gentle turns(for long drifts) also remember to have long straightways so tat (1) u can relax during these straights and (2) more importantly, handle the next turn when the speed of the car is high. keep having runs, after a short time, like 30 rounds a day for 2-4 weeks will get results. then when u remember the course at the back of ur head, u'll tend to notice other things tat's increase ur skills, or u might take sum time off to test ur skills by simply running the other direction. it may seems simple but it's a world difference, u have to back mask ur rhythms and pace, more importantly, it's a good gauge of ur skills by testing it on a 'different course'
when u can go round this lap wifout touching anything and get a good time, change the course and do the same, u'll eventually find urself very powerful, drifting an touring wise. learn the way the cg of ur car changes is also a good way of getting into rhythm... and also if u look at the entire course as a whole unit rather than corner by corner, u might have a better time, an action taken in the previous corner will affect the entire race.but learning(predicting) the cg change in ur car takes experience, it works the same wif everything wif mass, cars, bike, holding a cup full of water and walk. it's best to keep a note of things u observe tat u think might help alot, improving ur skills is a very personal thing, sum might think they're very good already, sum think tat they're nowhere near wat they wanna be. the desperation to be stronger comes when u stop winning.
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Post by Minerva on Oct 23, 2006 23:18:09 GMT 7
Hmmm.... Well.... Tuning depends on ur style lah...
i tuning while I playing along... See what suit me.. then experiment with small things until i more comfy...
of course u must roughly know how to control the car 1st...
different place need diff setting too...
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Post by J on Oct 24, 2006 13:49:44 GMT 7
actually kuang, ur advice might look nicer if u spaced it out into proper paragraphs.. its too much of an eyestrain to read like that
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Post by duffman34slayaz on Nov 25, 2006 2:53:21 GMT 7
red is hard too read on grey...
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Post by qks57 on Nov 26, 2006 10:43:55 GMT 7
woah.nice nice advice for newb drifters like me.to me,i feel that drifting is the skill,thou its important to have a good basic car too.just as in the initial D anime,takumi practised 5 yrs in his dad's AE86 Trueno and learnt his skills,thou its tuned quite crazily.but he's got the good basic car,and he's got practise.basically its the same basic theory that practise makes perfect.=)
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Post by csr on Nov 26, 2006 12:54:56 GMT 7
woah.nice nice advice for newb drifters like me.to me,i feel that drifting is the skill,thou its important to have a good basic car too.just as in the initial D anime,takumi practised 5 yrs in his dad's AE86 Trueno and learnt his skills,thou its tuned quite crazily.but he's got the good basic car,and he's got practise.basically its the same basic theory that practise makes perfect.=) Hmmmm.... maybe I should stick to my TT-01 for 5 years..... race against an EVO shell till the engine blows and upgrade to 23T motor.... ;D;D;D |
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Post by kuang on Nov 27, 2006 21:27:16 GMT 7
if u watch the manga as manga got more details, the ae86 he got was a advanced tuned car...only the exterior stays the same, then everything is equivalent to a race car not wif high power but a car where the power can be controlled to the fullest...
off topic liao haha...
skill is still everything, there is no game shark in real life, practise more ba...
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Post by housemartiniz on Nov 27, 2006 22:47:15 GMT 7
Well said Kuang89!
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Post by kuang on Dec 2, 2006 2:27:13 GMT 7
just read about a new method of training...if u have a hard time adapting to a new hop up...to prevent waste of money...
first...get a set of tyres about same as from tt01D drift tyres...change it wif ur pvc n do ur practises...both require different playing method at all times and also improve ur overall skill as drift tyres are much faster...
in case u're wondering...i also happen to find the same method of training in the new initial D manga...
i remembered J posted sumthing about changing the springs infront...i think tat is not adviseable no matter real car or rc car...cos when u soften the front springs...the front will slide more...hence harder to control...always change the rear springs will do...if possible la haha
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Post by *team trixie™ | X on Dec 2, 2006 9:42:12 GMT 7
hmm. i think otherwise because:
1. sometimes its unavoidable that u have to change your front springs to balance ur back springs.
2. also, i have found that changing front springs to harder ones sometimes help to combat oversteer.
3. at the end of the day, settings are personal in nature. some ppl might like difficult to control cars or soft front springs.
also, can u please reference where you get ur info frm, cos u mentioned somewhere above that u get it from surfing around. so i am assuming they are frm ppl on other forums etc. if so, credit must be given where its due so please cite them properly.
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Post by Kido Seishirou on Dec 2, 2006 9:43:08 GMT 7
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Post by kuang on Dec 3, 2006 0:32:57 GMT 7
cool web
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Post by J on Dec 3, 2006 2:05:26 GMT 7
mmm i dunno. so wat happens when ur front is not sliding enough?
btw, i do agree to some extent that softening ur front is a last resort. i don't know if i said on any other thread anything bout softening front. on this thread, i said that u might have to adjust ur front to be harder than ur rear. but that doesn't strictly mean hardening ur front, it can also be done by softening ur rear. its just a comparison. if u can find the exact statement that i made it would be helpful.
adjustments on the diffs and the rear are usually enough.
but when ur on a tt01 with gear diffs that u can't adjust perfectly becos grease is hardly as precise as screwing a ball diff tighter, and if u are already using the hardest hard springs on ur rear, if u still can't get the desired drift, then u might consider changing ur front springs..
btw kuang, u stay next to yew tee ah? how come nver see u at batok or woodlands de, so near ur house.
i'm very interested to see ur training methods and ur drift. =)
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Post by kuang on Dec 4, 2006 9:36:39 GMT 7
i work at banquet part time during sats...6pm to 11pm...so sorry can't always come to drift meets...even so, my drifts are simple techniques, nothing much. i'm still noob. i still can do a proper parallel parking yet...will be disapointing to see me
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Post by csr on Dec 4, 2006 10:11:26 GMT 7
No worries man, no need to be good to go drift meet. The fun part is the meeting more people. Always good to see new faces. Hope you can make it down soon once you have no more stuff on sat!
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Post by housemartiniz on Dec 4, 2006 15:20:17 GMT 7
QUIT yr job. DRIFT full time!  |
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Post by kuang on Dec 4, 2006 18:33:14 GMT 7
due to my measly pocket money, and unwillingness to touch the bank, my work is funding my kit and i think i'll go to meets when i finish my rx7 need for speed style
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Post by cyben76 on Dec 10, 2006 20:41:13 GMT 7
QUIT yr job. DRIFT full time! sounds familiar.... |
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Post by housemartiniz on Dec 10, 2006 22:41:46 GMT 7
familiar leh cyben? How how? Sounds like a great plan right? kekeke |
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